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Mabego Tetrimon
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:39:00 -
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So if you Goons came out BEFORE CCP find out about your cheatings, i would be impressed. Now. Not so much, another round of cheaters will bite the dust. |
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:24:00 -
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from Eula:
"3. You may not use (((your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other))) patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
what you did Goons, is a direct violation of the Eula. In my personal view that does not matter much you gained by a specific game play items at an accelerated rate when compared to ordinary game play.
If you get away with this, well, such is life :) |
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:26:00 -
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Maggie Maggie wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:from Eula:
"3. You may not use (((your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other))) patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
what you did Goons, is a direct violation of the Eula. In my personal view that does not matter much you gained by a specific game play items at an accelerated rate when compared to ordinary game play.
If you get away with this, well, such is life :) What could be more ordinary than buying and selling items, interacting with an LP store, and blowing up spaceships?
the rate at which you did it is not ordinary, and you and every other eve-player knows that. And thats why are you so happy at the moment. |
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:28:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i gain money at an accelerated rate doing nothing by having items that will appreciate in value sitting in my hangar
i do not fear getting sreeged for this
its not the acceleration rate or whatever we two can think about, its just what CCP decides is appropriate.... |
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:31:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:
As for the way that you described it, indeed made it sounds as bad as it was. I think of it like the bounty system, only for FW and with LP instead of ISK,, and the ability to cheaply turn said LP into ISK, would that be a fair analogy?
It is insurance fraud + forex + market manipulation of the exchange rate.
no its a direct violation of Eula.
"3. You may not use patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
And the propaganda here in the forum is all about not getting the ban hammer for this.
And with that i ll go and play my beloved EVE now. |
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:33:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: the phrase "patterns of play" is a catch-all that catches things like all the things listed and only like those
Yes, and i hope CCP will get you on the eggs on that ;) |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:36:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:And the posts from all the internet lawyers dissecting the EULA and TOS are hilarious. Those documents are flimsy justifications that CCP can use to cover their butts. Catch-alls if you will. Your opinion on what is applicable to these activities are just that, opinions, and are utterly irrelevant.
CCP will make the final call here. Quit quoting parts of a document the average pubbie lacks the literacy or intelligence to even understand.
You broke the rules. I just point everyone who think your move was clever to that simple fact.
I am also upset that your move has the power to disrupt/break the Minni-LP-Store (If not the Amar-Minni FW at all) for the foreseable future, if CCP does not do something to reverse their mistake.
What happens now with you is in the hands of CCP, on that fact you are right.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:44:00 -
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so quick estimate yaou guys did ~200.000 clicks to get all these items. lets do a quick math:
if you can do 4 clicks a second (well pretty fast, but we talking goons here) you get 50.000 seconds. Thats 833 minutes or about 14 hours of mindless clicking.....
Well i gratulate you on 14 Hours of mindless clicking in the FW-LP-Store.....if nothinmg else, thats an abuse of your mouse-finger for sure!
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:03:00 -
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well, Eula break again guy:
"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:10:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:well, Eula break again guy: "3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" Confirming that buying a $200 keyboard is against the EULA.
if you cant get the meaning, well shut up ;9
i am just hyperbole to give CCP a hint on how they might get their eggs in hand - means i have a low thinking of CCP sec, hm? |
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Mabego Tetrimon
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:16:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?
i am really sorry for you and your keyboars, really man....but wtf, play another game then. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:22:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Well you could say that using your $200 keyboard in certain ways is quite okay, but admitting to using it to make 20,000 keypresses in a half dozen hours of automatic "click button get loot" action isn't okay. That really does fall directly into the Eula clause quoted above. I mean lets be honest, it really does - you'd need a pretty top lawyer to argue your way out of that conviction.
actually no goon has admitted to have used the macros to get all the LP-stuff, yet, but well CCP has the logs....
PS: and for reference its more like ~200.000 keypresses, if you do it the regular way |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:28:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
Really?
The point of my post was to say that buying a keyboard isn't against the EULA, nor is using the features of that keyboard.
REALLY? i suggest you read the Eula before you log on next time.
"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" (left out additional things, to help you straight it out. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:30:00 -
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Vokanic wrote:
How did it accelerate acquisition? A person wants to buy 100 implants, at once, from the LP store. They have the LP to do so.
The limitations of the system prevent them from doing so.
End of the day, the LP wasn't acquired via macros. they got the same amount regardless if they use them or not. Unless you'd like to argue that waiting for market transactions to process is 'game play'
i see a BIG difference between using 14 hours of clicking time by hand (as it should be by ordinary game play) and like dk 5 minutes of using a Macro. You Sir not? |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:34:00 -
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Vokanic wrote:
How does a macro help them get more LP?? Since when did buying stuff from the LP market become a skill based on how fast you can click through the UI because you cant purchase more then 1 at once?
read before post please.
To aquire that lot of items in a regular way the goons needed aprox 14 hours of regular clicking OR using a macro.
The use of Macro is baned for aquiring items (not for firing guns, btw) by Eula. IF they did it with Macro they broke the Eula on that too. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:38:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:I really don't see why one isn't simply able to type in a desired quantity of a given item in the LP store. You have the LP, you have the ISK - why not? v0v
i would like to see that too. But its not actual in the game and might be for a reason? Or not - who knows ;)
still, using a macro for acquiring items at large scale breaks the Eula. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:46:00 -
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Vokanicq wrote:
In fact a macro would need a delay programmed into it, otherwise half your clicks, and half your 'enter's would miss their intended place in the process. It simply removes the risk of RSI in that case
i dont care if it takes away risk or take even more time to use a macro to aquire that kind of items from the LP Store. Its irrelevant.
Whats relevant is, that using the macro for that breaks the Eula. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:51:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Goons do something that makes people angry. People get Angry. People demand Bans. Goons Troll those people. Cycle continues until end of time or the thread is locked.
Only that their doings have the ability to break the FW-LP-items market for a looooong time, and in consequence breaks the new FW all together.
Thats why i rage. I like the new FW features a lot from a simple gamer point of view. And i dont want it to get broken by some pubbies who manipulated the market, broke the Eula and claim respect for winning a war they did not do a iota for.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:54:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:
i dont care if it takes away risk or take even more time to use a macro to aquire that kind of items from the LP Store. Its irrelevant.
Whats relevant is, that using the macro for that breaks the Eula.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76689[/quote]
ya really bad at propaganda----sigh
so? Where is the Dev post that says: "Using Macro to acquire large stacks of items you otherwise need 14 hours of clicking for is allowed?" |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 13:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:so? Where is the Dev post that says: "Using Macro to acquire large stacks of items you otherwise need 14 hours of clicking for is allowed?" I guess you didn't scroll down and read the quote, then, because it outlines precisely what is and isn't allowed?
You mean the GM saying:
"If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed,"
fits perfectly here:
guy uses a macro for not sitting at his keyboard clicking for 14 hours....
thanks Sir |
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